[Voyage-linux] A Cheaper Motherboard

[Solomon Asare]

Hi Ramon,
if you will need an ARM9 WRAP board to test with, I
promise to get you one once they are released.

Best Regards,
solomon.



--- Ramon Navarro Bosch <ramon at eupm.upc.edu> wrote:

> Hi guys !
> 
> I've been folowing the project and using it on some
> wireless comunities
> ( we created adesign merging OSPF trunk wifi
> networks with a OLSR/BATMAN
> mesh network over it using openvpn ). I've been
> looking at the future of
> wraps on pcengines and I saw that they are going to
> create a cheap
> product using ARM9. As it's the same hardware on
> nokia N800 I can help
> on porting voyage to this architecture ( we have a
> ARMEL 512Mbyte
> 600Gbyte server to compile with debian-armel and
> maemo-armel ).
> 
> Ramon
> 
> 
> En/na Solomon Asare ha escrit:
> > Hi All,
> > it looks like there are some good news after all.
> > According to: http://www.pcengines.ch/wrapeol.htm
> > cheaper alternatives are on the way. Grapevine
> > suggests $60.
> >
> > I hope it will not be too long.
> >
> > Regards,
> > solo.
> >
> > --- Kim-man 'Punky' TSE <punkytse at punknix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Hi Matt,
> >>
> >> Yes, I have the same thought.  Over the weekend,
> I
> >> have tried out OE and 
> >> here is my initial findings:
> >>
> >> - Multi-arch build is easy, as it builds from
> >> scratch, even the 
> >> cross-compile toolchain.
> >> - It has to build *everything* and requires a lot
> of
> >> CPU and diskspace 
> >> in my build machine (remember I used uml for all
> >> voyage development?).  
> >> I am now thinking of buying a new build machine -
> >> may be a older version 
> >> Mac Mini.
> >> - The wireless part (hostapd, madwifi-modules)
> seems
> >> to be un-maintained 
> >> - needs few more hacks to get it build as there
> are
> >> inter-dependency at 
> >> build time (same problem in debian as well, but
> >> someone had solved it).
> >> - customized kernel-build needs more
> investigation -
> >> seems not straight 
> >> forward.
> >>
> >> My investigation does not necessary mean Voyage
> will
> >> switch to OE 
> >> platform.  It will only be a new thing.  Voyage
> will
> >> still be offered as 
> >> free software as it is today and ties to Debian. 
> It
> >> is not going to change.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Punky
> >>
> >> Matthias Lemke wrote:
> >>     
> >>> then should "open embedded" be the first
> choice...
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kim-man 'Punky' TSE schrieb:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Hi Solomon,
> >>>>
> >>>> I seems impossible to get a lower price
> x86-based
> >>>>         
> >> embedded board.
> >>     
> >>>> Other non-x86 embedded boards in MIP, ARM or
> >>>>         
> >> XScale architecture does
> >>     
> >>>> not have enough flash size for storing the
> >>>>         
> >> disk-space hungry Debian. 
> >>     
> >>>> With squashfs+unionfs we've seen in Live CD, we
> >>>>         
> >> can't have a distro
> >>     
> >>>> lower than ~30MB.  Even with squashfs with lzma
> >>>>         
> >> support, it also can't
> >>     
> >>>> lower than 25MB.
> >>>>
> >>>> If Voyage is going to support non-x86 borads,
> it
> >>>>         
> >> will not be Debian
> >>     
> >>>> anymore, and it can't be called Voyage either,
> as
> >>>>         
> >> Voyage Linux implies
> >>     
> >>>> Debian-based distro.
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Punky
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Solomon Asare wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> I use lots of mikrotik products myself and
> they
> >>>>>           
> >> are
> >>     
> >>>>> excellent if all you need is a wireless/router
> >>>>>           
> >> without
> >>     
> >>>>> any special/unique customisation that you may
> >>>>>           
> >> want to
> >>     
> >>>>> roll out yourself. And the 112 is
> competitively
> >>>>> priced.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A licence upgrade, if required, after
> expiration
> >>>>>           
> >> of
> >>     
> >>>>> the one your 112 board came with, will set you
> >>>>>           
> >> back by
> >>     
> >>>>> about $40 at a latter date.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Moreover, my competitors are also using
> Mikrotik
> >>>>>           
> >> or
> >>     
> >>>>> cheaper alternatives and I was wondering if,
> >>>>>           
> >> with a
> >>     
> >>>>> cheaper mboard + flash + memory and voyage, I
> >>>>>           
> >> can put
> >>     
> >>>>> together a radio more competitively. I am
> almost
> >>>>>           
> >> at
> >>     
> >>>>> the point where I may have to give the radio
> out
> >>>>>           
> >> and
> >>     
> >>>>> make money on monthly bandwidth charges which
> >>>>>           
> >> are not
> >>     
> >>>>> much.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> solomon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Andrew Niemantsverdriet
> >>>>>           
> >> <andrew at pure-wireless.net>
> >>     
> 
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