[Voyage-linux] A Cheaper Motherboard
Ramon Navarro Bosch
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Fri Feb 23 15:17:51 HKT 2007
Hi guys !
I've been folowing the project and using it on some wireless comunities
( we created adesign merging OSPF trunk wifi networks with a OLSR/BATMAN
mesh network over it using openvpn ). I've been looking at the future of
wraps on pcengines and I saw that they are going to create a cheap
product using ARM9. As it's the same hardware on nokia N800 I can help
on porting voyage to this architecture ( we have a ARMEL 512Mbyte
600Gbyte server to compile with debian-armel and maemo-armel ).
Ramon
En/na Solomon Asare ha escrit:
> Hi All,
> it looks like there are some good news after all.
> According to: http://www.pcengines.ch/wrapeol.htm
> cheaper alternatives are on the way. Grapevine
> suggests $60.
>
> I hope it will not be too long.
>
> Regards,
> solo.
>
> --- Kim-man 'Punky' TSE <punkytse at punknix.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> Yes, I have the same thought. Over the weekend, I
>> have tried out OE and
>> here is my initial findings:
>>
>> - Multi-arch build is easy, as it builds from
>> scratch, even the
>> cross-compile toolchain.
>> - It has to build *everything* and requires a lot of
>> CPU and diskspace
>> in my build machine (remember I used uml for all
>> voyage development?).
>> I am now thinking of buying a new build machine -
>> may be a older version
>> Mac Mini.
>> - The wireless part (hostapd, madwifi-modules) seems
>> to be un-maintained
>> - needs few more hacks to get it build as there are
>> inter-dependency at
>> build time (same problem in debian as well, but
>> someone had solved it).
>> - customized kernel-build needs more investigation -
>> seems not straight
>> forward.
>>
>> My investigation does not necessary mean Voyage will
>> switch to OE
>> platform. It will only be a new thing. Voyage will
>> still be offered as
>> free software as it is today and ties to Debian. It
>> is not going to change.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Punky
>>
>> Matthias Lemke wrote:
>>
>>> then should "open embedded" be the first choice...
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim-man 'Punky' TSE schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Solomon,
>>>>
>>>> I seems impossible to get a lower price x86-based
>>>>
>> embedded board.
>>
>>>> Other non-x86 embedded boards in MIP, ARM or
>>>>
>> XScale architecture does
>>
>>>> not have enough flash size for storing the
>>>>
>> disk-space hungry Debian.
>>
>>>> With squashfs+unionfs we've seen in Live CD, we
>>>>
>> can't have a distro
>>
>>>> lower than ~30MB. Even with squashfs with lzma
>>>>
>> support, it also can't
>>
>>>> lower than 25MB.
>>>>
>>>> If Voyage is going to support non-x86 borads, it
>>>>
>> will not be Debian
>>
>>>> anymore, and it can't be called Voyage either, as
>>>>
>> Voyage Linux implies
>>
>>>> Debian-based distro.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Punky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Solomon Asare wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I use lots of mikrotik products myself and they
>>>>>
>> are
>>
>>>>> excellent if all you need is a wireless/router
>>>>>
>> without
>>
>>>>> any special/unique customisation that you may
>>>>>
>> want to
>>
>>>>> roll out yourself. And the 112 is competitively
>>>>> priced.
>>>>>
>>>>> A licence upgrade, if required, after expiration
>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>> the one your 112 board came with, will set you
>>>>>
>> back by
>>
>>>>> about $40 at a latter date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, my competitors are also using Mikrotik
>>>>>
>> or
>>
>>>>> cheaper alternatives and I was wondering if,
>>>>>
>> with a
>>
>>>>> cheaper mboard + flash + memory and voyage, I
>>>>>
>> can put
>>
>>>>> together a radio more competitively. I am almost
>>>>>
>> at
>>
>>>>> the point where I may have to give the radio out
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> make money on monthly bandwidth charges which
>>>>>
>> are not
>>
>>>>> much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> solomon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>>>>>
>> <andrew at pure-wireless.net>
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the routerboard 112. It has board
>>>>>>
>> memory
>>
>>>>>> and flash for $99. My
>>>>>> research and development budget ran out for
>>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>>>> quater otherwise I would
>>>>>> get one and see what can be done with it.
>>>>>>
>> Anyway
>>
>>>>>> here is a link:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.routerboard.com/prices.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody used these? Do they work? The
>>>>>>
>> cheapest I
>>
>>>>>> can build a wrap is
>>>>>> $127 not including a radio or enclosure. And
>>>>>>
>> that is
>>
>>>>>> in quantiy 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be interested to hear of others if there
>>>>>>
>> are
>>
>>>>>> any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> to make voyage more attractive as a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wireless/Router OS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess we need a cheaper embedded
>>>>>>>
>> motherboard.
>>
>>>>>>> Please, does anyone have any suggestions apart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WRAP?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible to get say a ($60 - $80) board
>>>>>>>
>> +
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + flash that can support a client? Pentium 200
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be more than adequate. Any links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> solomon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Punky
>>
>> P U N K N ! X . c o m
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>> (http://www.punknix.com)
>>
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>>
>>
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